[Golf"Ur-gti" 76<>77] Spécificités et rescapées!

[Jos]

cherchez pas ... entre vos poignées, vos tôles, vos radiateurs ...

les 76, 77 ... c'est des merguezs

LA vraie, LA seule, L'unique : LA châssis C

[Olivier75]

T'as raison Jos, d'ailleurs c'est la plus aboutie, donc la plus réussie

[Jos]

plus sérieusement,

je doute que la nomenclature et la version des part numbers peuvent être "gelés" du premier coup, comme tout développement et mise en production. d'où les différentes définitions et modèles que vous avez sur vos autos suivant le numéro de série.
lorsque vous allez chercher des pièces, le magasinier vous demande l'année, le type et parfois le numéro de série et ce n'est pas pour rien

[matthias_vwauto]

@Jos:
What?

[andy]

@Jos

... d'où le plaisir de recherche et de refaire une GTI conforme à son origine !!!

[andy]

@Andy:
I'm sure that there were hooks on the hinges and one hook in the middle of the water-box
Why do you don't think so? Please explain

Matthias

I don't agree that !!!
Do you have a proof of the presence of the hinges and hook on the earlest june 176 GTI's ?

[matthias_vwauto]

@Olivier75:

You are right and you are wrong...with the handles

The handle you have is correct for 176...BUT: you have wrong cover-version!
The cover-version you have is a new one, which somebody has pasted in. Normally this cover is metal and color is chrome..so could it be possible that somebody has paint it black and paste it with glue?
You can recognize it backside. The little holders are missed...often these holders are broken in reason of the weak material...the old correct cover is built from plastic.
An other feature is: the cover has structure on front...

So please have a look at this:




The handle i've shown needs fresh black color and the complete closing cylinder with mechanism...but is correct for 176

Best Regards
Matthias

[matthias_vwauto]

@Andy:
Yes, i have....one moment please

[andy]

Yes .... !!!! Super !!! I will be delighted to see that !!!!

I have a proof of the contradictory and I think that Olivier75 can also confirm my mind !

[matthias_vwauto]

Here we go...with pictures of 176 models:





At least i've scanned some old car-newspapers...converted in *pdf, there are more GTI from 76 with the hinges

By the way...complete model 177 has hinges right and left outside...but in the middle only till 10/1976...so far my experiences.
With starting 178 there were no more hinges...

Best regards
Matthias

[matthias_vwauto]

@Andy:
Please try to explain the contradictory

[Bils]

Regarding the door handle thema;
I really hope that Gael will not become angry about the use of some of his pictures but I think this will be good for the discussion improvment.
Gael, please sorry for that.

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On Gael Gti Produced in September 76', Door handles are also die cast but one single piece part (we say in french Monobloc).
It's clearly visible due to the same wear type on both surfaces. If substrac was different then the wear must be different too.
The one on Gael's car are the same as the last one given by Olivier75.
The small thin handle covering part (plastic or stainless steel) is for another type of handle which are painted (the one shown by Matthias) or chromed (74-75 ??) or later plastic(>78).

[andy]

@Andy:
Please try to explain the contradictory

Your pictures are not coming from an earliest GTI !
I think your pictures are of one made end june or july 76. (Because the inlet manifold isn't the model of the first GTI ! )

You can see a picture of a 176 from the beginning of june 76 in the book : "VW GOLF VW JETTA So wird's gemacht 19.Auflage by Verlag Delius, Klasing & Co. Bielefeld" page 88.
On this picture ... there are NO hinges and hook !!!


@Bils :
You are right with the door handles !

[Bils]

Here is the picture that Andy is talking about.

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As far as I know all the pictures used for this book are taken out of own VW AG "Leitfaden" today call "Selbststudienprogramme" or "service instructions book ". In VDA (Verband der Automobilindustrie) procedures it's well known that before to deliver a product, all the needed stuff (service documents and needed spare parts) have to be ready, translated and dispatched this before SOP (start of production). Today trainings are also done latest at the same time of the first deliveries.

That means that all the pictures of this book must be taken out of prototypes and not exactly same as first models delivered.

[andy]

Do you know other prototypes that the VS70 and the VT70 (who are still different) ?

On this picture, you can see that the inlet manifold is specific (it comes from an Audi GTE modified. You can still see the cast support of the cold start injector of the Audi ! )
This manifold was mounted in the beginning of juni 76. (You can also see this manifold model on your pictures from the Scirocco 76 and on the "press" Golf who was present at the 24 hours of Le Mans 76 !). End of juni 76, the new model of the inlet manifold was already mounted.

Thus, I think that the picture of this book is well one from an earliest true GTI !

[matthias_vwauto]

@Bils:
Do you mean that the handles are built from one piece? No separately cover?
That is a really new aspect...i've never heared from! So i've to thank you for information

@Olivier75 and @Gael:
Please, could you confirm, that is only one piece (handle and cover)...no way to dismantle?

Best Regards
Matthias

[matthias_vwauto]

@Andy:
Topic hinges:
I know the aspect that the pictures in that books are from cars, which were built very early...so offen it were "VS"-cars...so i agree with Bils.
By the way...i've the book "So wirds gemacht..." from 1978 in 5th edition...it shows the same picture you mean...but i've the same book from 1994 in 17th edition...same picture.
But i only will belief in aspects, which are shown on cars, i've seen or know that they still exist

Thats why...the both pictures from that silver 176 GTI i've showed (is the same car) is still exist and was produced in June 1976. And this car has the GTI manifold we know...

So i will believe that Version.

Does anybody have pictures from 176 GTI which were produced in June and still exist?
So we can see, which manifold is built in

Other idea:
Whats with Rajan? His car is one of the first...we should ask him to send a picture

Scirocco - picture:
Could be a earlier car (before June) ... built for/in US.

Best regards
Matthias

[Bils]

@ Matthias,
Yes, that's right I meant that the handle is a one piece handle and designed to look like a covered handle.
@Andy,
You are right, the inlet manifold on this book is the closest one as the GtE inlet manifold (75 and 76) but this one on the left side is still cylindrical and not flatt as the other. Instead of the prototype pictures, on all Golf gti 76' pictures none has such manifold even on the one that has been driven to the 24h of le Mans on the 12th June 1976!
Therefore I mentionned that for me this picture is out a prototype used for the picture and final validation (VW will not produced only 2 prototypes in 9 Months between Sept. 75' and June 76' before the start of the production!).

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[MAGOLF]

J'adore ce post ! Je reprends un peu de pop-corn

[andy]

Bon appétit Aurélien ... mais fais attention à la ligne !

The following episode is coming soon !!!!